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Whomever is doing background checks and spin control for the McCain campaign need to be fired.
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ineffabelle From: ineffabelle Date: September 1st, 2008 06:27 am (UTC) (Link)
But y'know... I'm perfectly ok with them not being fired, if you know what I mean haha.

heron61 From: heron61 Date: September 1st, 2008 06:56 am (UTC) (Link)
My thoughts exactly. I'm a huge fan of the current McCain campaign and look forward to them reaping the just rewards of their ill-thought efforts in November.
metaphorge From: metaphorge Date: September 1st, 2008 08:37 am (UTC) (Link)
I feel you here, it is quite useful, though just how cringe-worthy the whole thing is still hits me in the professional department.
ineffabelle From: ineffabelle Date: September 1st, 2008 08:38 am (UTC) (Link)
ahh as an anarchist, it just strikes me as comedy.
elric_dewisant From: elric_dewisant Date: September 1st, 2008 06:49 am (UTC) (Link)
metaphorge From: metaphorge Date: September 1st, 2008 07:44 am (UTC) (Link)
No, that's the standard, largely, bipartisan police-state response to such things. This is more about someone REALLY not doing their homework on Sarah Palin. It's the sort of incompetence I find galling on a professional level and hate to see from any source, even a campaign I prety stringently oppose.
fearsclave From: fearsclave Date: September 1st, 2008 12:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Incompetence, or perhaps sheer desperation? Maybe, despite her issues, she was the best they had?

Grounds for optimism...
blue_estro From: blue_estro Date: September 1st, 2008 07:51 am (UTC) (Link)
If this is in reference to the questionable maternity of the infant, I am not sure that it really matters to any of the conservative voters he really wants to keep (the ones that don't consider him sufficiently conservative... the ones who would eat up the idea of a mother protecting her daughter by pretending a child is hers rather than having an abortion despite the down syndrome).

I worry that more damage is being done to liberal cause by the huge deal and mudslinging going on in the leftish media.
metaphorge From: metaphorge Date: September 1st, 2008 08:34 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the really big deal to come out of this will be if it turns out to indeed be hers, as taking an eight hour fight from texas to alaska while you're in labor with a low birth weight child is incredibly irresponsible.

I'm a bit worried about any backlash from this story getting covered at all is going to get, though I'm going to guess that the more mainstream sources will stay away from it for that reason. I do feel bad for Bristol in any case.

I think you're right that this won't hurt CC/right -wing voter' view of McCain/Palin, but the huge pile of potential abuse-of-office-related charges already mounting could sway the undecideds.

BTW, thanks for the add. I'm tyrsalvia's partner; she suggested I would enjoy following you (in case you didn't grok that already). :)
blue_estro From: blue_estro Date: September 1st, 2008 08:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I think you're right that this won't hurt CC/right -wing voter' view of McCain/Palin, but the huge pile of potential abuse-of-office-related charges already mounting could sway the undecideds.

It doesn't have to be abuse of office. A family doctor might do the same such thing for any of her/his patients, this one (speculatively) just happens to be the governor and her daughter. The tax fraud suits seem a bit more feasible.

BTW, thanks for the add. I'm tyrsalvia's partner; she suggested I would enjoy following you (in case you didn't grok that already). :)

I had figured it out, and I remember meeting you at the Fire Arts Fest. :} I haven't been posting much of late... but I may become more content filled when my life gets a routine again.
tyrsalvia From: tyrsalvia Date: September 1st, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Do you have a link on the tax fraud assertions? I haven't seen reference to that....
blue_estro From: blue_estro Date: September 1st, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
It wasn't a news article, it was a blog post that mentioned claiming the child as dependant without due process (adoption) would be tax fraud. But I suspect that the birth certificate says the child is hers, so it doesn't apply unless the child is positively identified as no hers.
pope_guilty From: pope_guilty Date: September 1st, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
If the rumour is true and Trig Palin (and how cruel to name someone with Down's Syndrome after a complex branch of mathematics) isn't Sarah Palin's child, the tax credit that's she's almost certainly claiming on Trig would possibly be fraudulent.
pope_guilty From: pope_guilty Date: September 1st, 2008 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
The cynic in me wonders if they didn't choose her with "hey, they'll jump all over this!" in mind.
blue_estro From: blue_estro Date: September 1st, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, that cyncism would be nice. Alas, I think the "hard core Christian and a blue collar woman" is sufficient... which says too much about the values of the GOP voters.
pope_guilty From: pope_guilty Date: September 1st, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
What the hell do governors and mayors do in Alaska that makes her blue-collar?
blue_estro From: blue_estro Date: September 1st, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
She only very recently was a mayor, then governor. Her husband works in the oil fields and was a commercial fisherman.
pope_guilty From: pope_guilty Date: September 1st, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, so having been blue-collar twelve years ago makes you blue-collar now.

In that case, I've met a lot of people who worked cash registers and were also in the computer industry. After all, they worked tech support in the 90's.
fizzyg23 From: fizzyg23 Date: September 1st, 2008 01:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree with you on the last point. I've already seen quite a bit of discourse about our complaining about the whole Obama/terrorist/Muslim thing, and now when this comes out it looks a bit silly.
sophiaserpentia From: sophiaserpentia Date: September 1st, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think the Shadowy Overlords are concerned that the Republicans do not seem to be getting the message that it's their turn on "minority duty" for a term or two. So they told McCain to go with Sarah Palin.
akeyclueinto From: akeyclueinto Date: September 1st, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Outsider Looking In Here, but...
when I first read of her nomination, and read a little bit, my feeling was that this was a sensationalistic grab to take the spotlight off of Obama, the day after his party's convention. Then, I figured, a little further along a reason would come up, or a scandal, forcing her to withdraw. Then the Repblican's get one of their old white male standbys to join the race.


It's not really paranoia if it's someone else's government.....
shirtlifterbear From: shirtlifterbear Date: September 1st, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Husband has a DWI on his record.

Sister has nasty divorce from State Trooper that Gov. Creationism seems to have gotten fired illegally.

Daughter, unmarried at 17, is five months pregnant, a child which had to have been conceived WHILE SHE WAS LIVING IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.

It's the "Appeal to the White Trash" strategy: "She's one of us! Vote Republican!"
sammhain From: sammhain Date: September 1st, 2008 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure why you assume all "white trash" are conservatives.

Classism at it's finest...god I hate liberals.

Sincerely,

white trash anarchist
shirtlifterbear From: shirtlifterbear Date: September 1st, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, so sorry.

Didn't mean to make a sweeping generalization about White Trash LIKE YOU JUST DID about Liberals.

(Hypocrite, much?)

Besides, to actually address your insight while ignoring your pose, you'll have to admit that the vast majority of the so-called White Trash class votes Republican. To do otherwise is to simply deny reality to serve your agenda... oh, wait, that's the Republican Credo!
sammhain From: sammhain Date: September 1st, 2008 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
"LIKE YOU JUST DID about Liberals"

Really what sweeping generalization did I make? That I hate them? I hate fascists too does that me a hypocrite as well or is ok to hate them? My opinion about a political stance is not a generalization about people it's a statement of my opinion of a political stance. I know some liberals are swell people, I still hate their politics.

White trash, however, is a derogatory term for poor white people. One I've heard both Republicans and Democrats use to describe any group of poor whites who must obviously be stupid and otherwise socially inept simply because they didn't do what those in power wanted them to do.

That's the difference. Some how I doubt if someone said oh no wonder the Dems wanted Obama, that will secure the black vote because they'll say "Oh look he's one of us" you would have been fine with it. In fact I'm guessig you would have rightfully called it on the bull shit racism that such a sentiment is.

"you'll have to admit that the vast majority of the so-called White Trash class votes Republican"

No I won't. The vast majority of white trash that I grew up with voted and continue to vote Democrat, though god only knows why since you clearly don't give a shit about them.

"To do otherwise is to simply deny reality to serve your agenda... oh, wait, that's the Republican Credo!"

Seriously as long as you're claiming to be grounded in reality cite me a stastic that says "most white trash vote republican."

I dare you, since we both know no study called "voting trends among white trash" has ever happened.

Thanks for your ill informed classist and most importantly self righteous outburst. Right out of the liberal playbook and another classic example of why I hate liberals. Thanks for playing.
shirtlifterbear From: shirtlifterbear Date: September 1st, 2008 10:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Self-righteous outburst?

Yes, your little essay was.

Ignoring your ad hominem attack on me (the usual defense of the debater that's run out of valid points), I'm going to address your "argument," at least the points that are relevant.

One, classism is certainly alive and well. The elite label that's been applied to those who favor human rights and social justice is class-warfare, plain and simple. And you're right about the "White Trash" label being classist as well. It just so happens to be the label that the media has chosen to represent that subset of the body politic. Sad but true. Would you prefer "Bubba," which is what they labeled it when Clinton was President?

Two, while your personal experience may have found anecdotally that some of this lower-income-and-education group votes Democratic, the huge swath of the South that voted Democratic from FDR through Johnson has firmly and I fear permanently moved into the Republican fold. The Red State swath is no longer the home of the Blue Dog Democrat, it is the home of the Bible-Thumping Republican.

Third, the very thought of applying a label, oh, I don't know, I'll pull one out at random, apropos of nothing, say for instance "Liberal," and saying that you hate THEM, is by every measure a generalization and an attack on a group. Therefore, you DID hypocritically apply a sweeping generalization and I called you on it, as you called me on my own sweeping generalization.

Fourth, the have been numerous studies of voting behavior in the demographic we're discussing, contrary to your uninformed "did not, did too" argument, which found all sorts of interesting things like the "Gantt Effect," where voters in North Carolina lied outright to pollsters about their voting intentions because they didn't want to admit that they wouldn't vote for an African-American candidate. Other studies have found that since the overwhelming majority of military volunteers comes from this demographic, that the blind jingoistic "Criticism is un-American" patriotism so ably embodied by the Bush Regime is supported largely by this group, leading them to vote Republican, the party the panders to the ugliest of human xenophobia. Anti-Immigration, anti-Affirmative Action, anti-Women, anti-Religious Plurality... the worst kind of Ugly Americanism.

Next time you want to throw your "anarchist" weight behind an argument, you might take a second to consider that your right to espouse such an unusual position is supported by the very "liberals" that you claim to hate. The Republicans are the ones who have worked so very hard to stifle free speech, free assembly and the right of free association. King George has added signing statements to over 500 laws saying that he doesn't have to obey them. While I am hardly an Obama fan, at least his background as a Constitutional Law professor has led him to announce that he will examine and remove every single illegal and unconstitutional executive order that Shrub has signed. The expectation is that every single signing statement and most executive orders will be immediately rescinded.

If the liberals are so hateful to you, then you must be completely consumed with loathing for the party of fascism and totalitarianism that is what King George's Grand Old Party has become.

So by all means hate us liberals if you must, but abhor the Fascists with every fiber of your being. Save that venom for the true enemy, the Republican Party.
aarrrggghhh From: aarrrggghhh Date: September 10th, 2008 03:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Found proof that Nader Is a republican shill yet? I figured you had some time and I just happened to remember that conversation we had. that's all, because I don't think McCain is using him so well if he is. (which you may be able to bring some light onto.)

metaphorge From: metaphorge Date: September 11th, 2008 10:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I haven't seen you come up with any substantiation for your rhetoric, either. Want to prove to me that there's no difference between the two majority parties? I'll give you the photos of Nader with the briefcase of money, the cocaine, AND the hookers....
aarrrggghhh From: aarrrggghhh Date: September 12th, 2008 12:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I did not say there was no difference. I said their just as bad. Which actually is an opinion and falls under politics. So your arguing a different point.

They both want more war
They both are using tax cuts as a way to get elected
back in 2000 was Gore and Liberman

Funny how Liberman was Bush's best friend during the iraq war.

Obama is less willing to debate third parties than McCain and He supposedly is the smart one, the good speaker.

Health Care? Bidon, Obma wrapped up in insurance cooperate
money.


How about credit and anti bankrupsy laws? How about the Rave act which is what was brought up?

NAFTA?
WAL MART?

I think they are just as bad, i suppose that is an "emotional" opinion and your right, actually it is more judgement and that is what I am going on.

You said Nader is a shill for the Republicans that's a fact where is the fact.
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